the new iphone 11 and 11 pro ultra wide camera

Discussion in 'Movi Technical' started by farbrorjoakim, Sep 10, 2019 at 12:41 PM.

  1. farbrorjoakim

    farbrorjoakim New Member

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    Is it going to be possible to shoot with this on the MCR without showing the backside of the gimbal? What I mean, is it going to be too wide?
     
  2. Rick Bronks

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    Hoping it won't be.
     
  3. Michel Corbin

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    My guess is you will have to move the camera to the left and use counter weights to rebalance
     
  4. Rick Bronks

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    You're right. I've found out that the person who actually did the shoot in the Apple Keynote had to slide the camera over so the Movi didn't come into frame on the wide, then had to add some minimal counterweights to balance it.

    As much as I love the form factor and the Movi I think it's time for me to sell it up and accept it's more of a pain in the ass than it should be.

    If I wanted to have this heavy, big gimbal for my phone I may as well sue a 'proper' camera on a gimbal. The very notion of mobile film making is pointless when the rig ends up being bigger than needed.

    These new iPhones will negate the use for external lenses - I mean sure - we can still use them and get ultra wide perhaps? or even more telephoto but now we're looking at literally a phone - and a gimbal and you're all set. No weights, no awkwardness and peeing around setting it up etc.. just unfold it and go - and if you drop the gimbal or it smashed in you bag it's not the end of the world for 100 quid
     
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    If that’s so, presumably someone at Freefly knows or can confirm, and can explain the situation here.
     
  6. Rick Bronks

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    That was someone at Freefly - whoever is on their Instagram account I was Direct messaging them. I would take that as fact.
    They said they had a chat with the creator of the Apple film and he had to (quote) 'move the phone a tad to not capture the rig in the frame. By then he needed the counterweights. We'll have to do some testing but minimum amount of counterweights might be needed"

    I need to ask if he used the iPhone 11 pro or pro max. If he used the max then it would make sense and would also mean the 11 pro probably won't weights because it's obviously lighter and the small shift to the left to avoid rig capture would probably be ok.

    I have a feeling we'll be disappointed when it's properly tested.
     
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    Thanks Rick. Very helpful information.
     
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  8. John Chu

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    There is one other aspect of the superwide lens to think about.

    Supposedly the super-wide gives a 13mm (35mm equivalent) field of view. (?)

    That's wider than the Moment Wide which is about 17mm-18mm (on a 35mm film camera)?

    There is a point in my humble opinion where it become too wide and all I notice is the lens (which is a cool effect at 13mm) and essentially becomes a trick lens.

    The standard 26mm (35mm equivalent) lens on iPhone isn't wide enough for me but thought the rumored lens on the iPhone would be equivalent to the Moment lens at around 17mm.

    I think 17mm looks GREAT on a moving Steadicam.
     
  9. Rorick Edge

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    Hi John,

    There are several examples of the 13mm lens in use, for both photography and video, in Apple’s launch event. It is definitely not a “trick lens”. They seem to have done a good job on distortion. The launch video is widely available, maybe have a look at it. Haven’t checked, but there are probably more examples on Apple’s site and in post-launch videos.
     
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  10. farbrorjoakim

    farbrorjoakim New Member

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    Ok, I will not get any counterweights. I just want something simple and start filming. I sincerly hope that one of these phones will work with the MCR, without the weights for ultra wide.
     
  11. Rorick Edge

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    The lightest and smallest of the phones is the iPhone 11 Pro, followed by the iPhone 11 and the Pro Max. You may find it useful to look at older threads here on balancing last year’s iPhones.
     

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