Now that my main rig (flat 8 with Tiger U5's) is flying great I am starting a new project. At the very least this will be my backup copter. I"m hoping that this copter performs a little better and becomes my main rig. Here's what I am hoping out of this copter. 1. Improved PH on tighter shots, looking for the copter to be a little more planted. 2. Ability to shoot in higher winds (20-25 mph) 3. Get rid of front boom so its not in the camera frame as much. Here's the Equipment I'm planning on using. *All MK electronics with external compass *KDE 4014 motors with 18 inch props *Cinestar frame with outboard battery plates just like my current rig. Using all metal clamps for the frame and motors. My payload is between 11.5 to 12.5 pounds. To compensate for the shorter flight times I plan on testing the QC 16,000 batteries. This will put my copter about 4.5 pounds heavier than my rig with the 10,000 batteries putting my total flying GAW at 29.5 to 30 pounds. I am pretty confident that the motors and electronics can handle the weight my main questions will be is there enough flight time to be gained from the bigger batteries despite the extra 4 pounds. I would love to see a X8 setup get 18 minutes flight time. I'm still waiting on the motors and the updated power board from Holger, hopefully I'll be assembling sometime in the next 10 days.