FreeFly Future Developments

Discussion in 'Camera Mount Misc' started by Howard Dapp, Sep 29, 2012.

  1. Howard Dapp

    Howard Dapp Active Member

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    Maybe we could discuss ideas for future FF gimbal designs? Maybe a slightly larger/heavy duty Cinestar gimbal? Possibly direct drive motors? Cinestar gimbal is already a brilliant design, it has a natural stabilizing effect similar to those handheld horseshoe shaped stabilizers. There is less swing with this design, especially front to back swing compared to other gimbal designs.
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    I'd like to see the same FF gimbal design but slightly beefier to accommodate a C300/C500 and Epic mounted with cine lenses.

    What would you like to see?
     
  2. Brian Bills

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    Just be patient ;)
     
  3. Howard Dapp

    Howard Dapp Active Member

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    Interesting! Can you share anything relating to gimbal??
     
  4. Tabb Firchau

    Tabb Firchau Administrator
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    I don't know what you are talking about??? ;)
     
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  5. Howard Dapp

    Howard Dapp Active Member

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    haha that says it all. Say no more, we'll sit and wait patiently!:D
     
  6. Pavlos Antoniou

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    i wish to put direct drive and on the gimbals we have now..!
     
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    Gimbal for the top of the drone please!
     
  8. Howard Dapp

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    A very reasonable request! I like that idea.
     
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  9. Pavlos Antoniou

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    And i dont think its difficult..!

    Something like this..

    With Brushless motors and not with expensive motors..!
     
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  10. Howard Dapp

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    Funny, i watched that video last week and got very excited about BL motors UNTIL I observed a very notchy/ratchety tilt movement. The same sort of movement you get when you manually rotate the bell on a BL motor.
     
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    Yep i think that if they try they will do it..!
     
  12. Jon Fredericks

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    Good to know, would love to see a scaled down version of a Cineflex, possibly with lightweight retractable gear. Whatever the plan, a higher angle between camera platform and boom would be most beneficial for greater freedom of upward camera tilt. :)
     
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    Dont forgett downscaling the price of the Cineflex at the same time ;)
     
  14. Tabb Firchau

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    Smaller or cheaper....you can't have both! LOL
     
  15. Howard Dapp

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    Cineflex-like Epic and C300 size for the serious professional willing to pay the cost to be the boss. I'd pay $6k up to $9k for performance in between Zenmuse and Cineflex. For non RC applications that amount is extremely reasonable. A similar head with that performance designed for non rc applications would be worth $10k-$20k. You already have a semi pro version in CS gimbal we now need an all-in pro version.
     
  16. Nick Kolias

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    LOL Let's keep things in perspective. Compared to much of the gear used on set we're enjoying good rates on relatively inexpensive equipment. A 40' jimmy jib is $17k. A fisher 10, if they even sold them, is north of $125k. The yearly lease payments and mandatory insurance premiums are $20k for that thing. High end steadicam operators with decked out rigs commonly put $90k+ into them. Custom insert cars and process trailers are well over $100k. A supertechno is well into the six figures as is the cineflex.

    So if these guys can release a CS gimbal with cineflex like performance for anything under even $30k it would be revolutionary in the industry in terms of price/performance. We're talking about a true paradigm shift. It would be kick ass for sure. Except if you own a supertechno or cineflex! :D

    nick
     
  17. Howard Dapp

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    I was modest with my numbers on purpose. Trying to stay within my own personal financial ability;) Tabb, any teasers for us?
     
  18. Jon Fredericks

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    I would echo Howard's thoughts above; an all-pro gimbal option would be a good thing for those that want it. Price is certainly a consideration, but if it's able to produce Cineflex-like footage, then our only real competition is an A-star/Cineflex at $2200+ per hour. And I think we can compete with that!;)

    P.S. I think the pressing issue is being comfortably capable of 8-10lb camera payloads.
     
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    Best design may incorporate pneumatics. Quick, smooth, responsive, less moving parts, lighter weight, less electronics, and a hell of a lot stronger than what a servo can push.
     
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