Sounds good, Ramesh. I think we need to start gathering data on the best way(s) of setting up for a single/dual operator. I'll try doing some experiments in the next few weeks. Andy.
Ramesh I might be able to help with your setup as I am using the DX18 for single pilot operations. Although not exactly what you are doing, this thread and pdf might give you some clues on how to program the dx18. Good luck
Andy Andy Andy Headache headache headache Tried for the last one week to get the system to work as single pilot.. that is ... WKM and Radians so though i was a JR guy.. bought a Futaba 8FG with S Bus, as S Bus seemed to be the only solution to operate both systems... as single pilot. Put a hub at S Bus output of Rx and programmed WKM and Radians seperately. HERE IS THE PROBLEM Radians default Mode to Ch 5 and WKM default IOC to Ch 5 also you however can assign any sw of choice.. but u will always be stuck to ch 5... i realised after i though that Radian software has accepted the setting to Radians... and the mode sw would not operate.. then i started to operate all sw.. and realsed that the radians go unlocked.. ie,,, change of Mode... by the Gear sw which is Ch5. No can reassign the sw anywhere.. but its still ch 5. So -------- no solution even as a single pilot.. i have to carry two radios, so i just leave the JR radio on the ground next to me and move the tilt slew to where i want. or once in a while change it to where i want. Any idea if anyone else has moved further than me But mind you when programming Radians to ch 9,10 of S Bus.. the software shows that all switches etc r working and sliders operate after turning green.. but the Radians dont respond evident by the servos not moving at all as if the system is on lock mode. Hope to hear from u soon or anyone else who may have has success in fooling either the Radian or the WKM. One weird idea is to strap the second radio on my back... and take out leads from switches to the Mode, and Slew for Tilt and make a small bracket attached to my Futaba radio with which i am flying the WKM regards and cheers to hoping soon Radian guys can come up with a software upgrade to assign Mode etc etc to a channel of choice for a single pilot operation.. Take care ramesh tahlan
The option of binding two Futaba Rx to one Tx also does not work... bought a second Futaba Rx just for this... cause both the Radian and WKM want default ch 5 for themselves Radain defaults Mode WKM defaults IOC And cannot have functions to two systems set on the same channel like any business clash of interest Cheers ramesh tahlan
Hi Ramesh: Sorry to hear of all the complications. Let me try and pick them apart one at a time. If I understand you correctly, you are saying that using the Radian software you cannot change the Mode Channel on the Radian sensors? Am I understanding you correctly? The reason I'm focusing on that is because I'm don't recall having any problem changing the Radian Mode Channel to some other channel. Or is the problem that you cannot assign a switch on your transmitter to a channel other than 5 to control the Radian Mode? Let's just focus on that so we can whittle away at the problem one step at a time. Andy.
Andy.. thanks.. ok, u right... i am unable to assign a diff channel to Radian. it somehow only operates on Ch5.. but i have the facility to assign any sw to any channel... that is no problem OR is it that the software is not writing to the Radian Presently, i am using two axis only.. roll and tilt I have plugged in a hub at Rx S Bus output. One goes to WKM One line goes to Roll Radian which is my first Radian then from Roll to Tilt. so i plug in the usb adapter to Roll Radian pins 5 and 6. the servos are hooked up. belts removed Power up the Rx and Radians also power up. and now hook up the usb cable to laptop and activate the Software i then click on S bus and "off is not using Spectrum" then click Connect relevant tabs go green now i click on Roll tab then click on Read and enter channel 9 for Mode and click on Write I then click on Tilt tab then Read and then enter 9 for mode and 10 for Slew and click on Write no when i operate the sw i have assigned on Tx for Mode and slew all shows green as soon as move the 3 post sw from Lock to Slew stabelise, BUT no response from radians cause the servos dont move so i close software unplug usb and try no luck then i power off everything and power on again no luck but when i operate the ch 5 sw which is gear i can see the Tilt servo operate BUT not the Roll servo Tried reprogramming 4 time. some result
Hi Ramesh: You cannot program both Radian sensors by only connecting to the Roll sensor. You have to connect the USB cable to the Roll sensor, read, change values, write. Then you need to connect the USB cable to the Tilt sensor, read, change values, and write. Hope this helps. Andy.
Andy thanks again ok.. that is why i wrote each step will do it again as u said, hook up one radian at a time click read enter the channels click write for each radian one at a time and will give it another go will put up the result in a while I have not changed any setting in Radio as yet so original set up is there thanks a heap ramesh
Andy did as u guided the sliders in the programming window r giving correct movement and are green and respond to the sw etc correctly i have ch 9 for mode for both radian For Tilt Radian - ch 10 for slew ch 11 for click now i have the system disconnected from PC i then sw off everything connected the servos to the radian with belts removed. and sw on everything again the orange light in the Radians is solid on the green light flashed rapidly for a few seconds and now flashing at a slow rate The only thing working is the servo for click which i have on ch 11 on Tilt Radian if i operate the Mode sw i have for ch 9... no response from servos and no change in light on the Radians' Just one doubt when i was programming the Radians one by one the sequence of disconnecting everything was like this software close disconnect usb from usb adapter power off to Rx and Radians remove usb adapter from Radian Hope this is not creating any problem or should i follow a particular disconnection sequence now no sw on the tx is operating the mode , which in previous case ch 5 was doing so i guess the Radian have taken the new channels i have assigned while reprogramming So the system is just remaining idle.. i am able to turn the servos output arms with my hand which shows signal not going to servos Servos r at pin 4 on both Radains Ramesh
Just to give u some more info i am using the 8FG Super for MODE in the function screen for ch 9 i have selected Aux 6 and sw SG and in the radian softeware i have also put 9 for Mode. the response to sw SG is correct and go green on connect also when i select SG to center post.. the top slew tab also goes green But same light indication on Radians Orange Solid and green flashes rapidly on power up for a few sec,,,then flash slowly ramesh
okey.. i decided to hook up the Roll Radian alone with nothing else connected to it to PC and opened the software then pressed Read directly it showed it as Roll Roll Module -1 it shows Mode as Ch 9 so will just click on write and disconnect. Just one doubt.. i am clicking on the Diagnostics screen on S Bus but should i also be clicking on the Config screen on "Off unless using Spectrum" Ramesh which is what i had programmed at the way u had advised...
okeyyyyyyyyyyyy Andyyyyyyyyyyyyy dont ask me what did i do differently i just programmed each Radian again about 3 times and now everything is working Mode in ch 9 perfect now putting the belts and i notice that the Tilt Radian has an angle to horizon of almost 5 deg and that is when the Tilt Radian stop the servo from moving the Roll Radian is totally horizontal and it stop the servo from moving NOW JUST ONE BIGGGG QUESTION if i need to adjust travels and gains what do i do.. How do i hook up to pc and then how do i tell the software that i want to make changes to Tilt or Roll Radian Gains and limits etc OK just figured it this time i decided not to click on "Off unless using Spectrum" what is this for, bit confusing i kept on clicking on it cause since i was using Futaba i thought i need to click on it so this time i did not click on it when programming Radians one by one and everything is perfect now Just that one issue without buggering up everything how do i make change to limits and Gains ramesh
Hi Ramesh: You got ahead me while it was night time on my part of the planet. To adjust the travel and gains using the Radian software: 1. Connect up to sensor you want to adjust. 2. Using Radian software, click on Read to import the current settings into the software. 3. Make the changes that you want. 4. Click on write to write the changes back to that sensor. 5. Move to the other sensor and repeat. The "Off unless using Spektrum" should be off for Futaba. That check box is intended for when you are using a Spektrum Satellite Rx as I recall. Andy.
Andy.. thanks a ton. I think the manual need to be made a bit more understandable y have explained it better over last two day specially the part about programming each radian separately and also about the part for gain and travel.. to pug in the usb adapter into the Radian that need to be adjusted. I did not find that so specific in the manual But many thanks buddy.. now every thing becomes clear and the mystery vanished.... Each Radian has to be set and adjusted seperately Thanks again U guys r great Ramesh Tahlan
Hi Joe. thanks for that link for DX18 set up the reason i went away from DX18 is that if u set up WKM and Radians with it then u loose the option of changing over to a two pilot system Where as with the S Bust set up of Futaba, where i have done set up of WKM and Radians with it... now with a Spectrum/JR Rx at the first Radian then by just switching on the Spectrum Tx... the second pilot has control of the cam totally and this can be done any time when the multicopter is flying also I need the two pilot option and it seems to me that the only way is to use a S Bus set up from one Tx for WKM and Radians all the best and happy flying regards ramesh tahlan
Andy Just some more trouble for u now that everything is perfect for one pilot operation how do i programme the Radians now for two pilot operation I do know that the Spectrum sat goes into the First Radian BUT again the million dollar question ????????? how do i now programme the Radians since they r already programmed for S Bus I also know that when i put on the Spectrum Radio the Radian give priority to Spectrum Sat input So do i leave everything just connected as it is put Sat Rx in first Radian power up everything with Tx on plug in the usb adapter into first Radian and i can now programme both Radian for Spectrum OR i leave all connections as they r put in Sat Rx into first Radian plug in usb adapter into first Radian power up everything with Tx on programme the first Radian then put usb adapter into second Radian (with Sat Rx still in first Radian) and programme second Radian will wait till i hear from you dont want to bugger up what i have already achieved. regards ramesh tahlan
Hi Ramesh: The good news is that I think you may be overthinking the problem! You program up the Radian's independently of whether you are using S.bus or Spektrum -- an RC channel is always an RC channel regardless of whether the signal gets to the Radian via Spektrum or S.bus. Channel 5 is always channel 5, if you see what I mean. As you say, when you plug in the Spektrum satellite, the Radian sensor will give it priority over S.bus input on Port 1, but the Spektrum satellite is still transmitting data about the various RC channels. So, if you have the Radian Mode set to channel 5 (say), then it doesn't care when the signal for channel 5 arrives via Spektrum, or by S.bus. Hope that helps avoid you buggering anything up.... Andy.
Andy thanks a lot that input was really needed about channels being same for Futaba when flying single pilot... or when using Spectrum Sat..... on my own i would have gone mad for sure And fortunately i have a 11 Ch JR so the ch i programmed on Futaba were 9,10, 11.... fortunately i can now use the same channels 9,10,11 on my JR, Thank god i bought a 11 ch radio some months back. I had no idea about this aspect of channels being same... And yes u sure helped me prevent buggering things up for sure a second time hahahahaha thanks a tonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn have to use the machine tomorrow On Monday will programme the Sat cheers. been a real hectic one week on this but all well that ends well thanks only to Andy ramesh tahlan
Glad it all worked out Ramesh. I'm with you, though....some of the RC concepts were totally alien to me and left me pondering why the concepts even existed. Andy.
Hi all I can clearly now see where Ramesh was going wrong because I have been making exactly the same mistakes. I have setup many different products out there but I did struggle with this one. The Radian is a great product with awesome stability. Some great demonstration videos and manuals are available but thru out the setup process I came across a few stumbling blocks where I could find no explanation or mention anywhere what the correct steps should be. Here are a few issues I had but could find no mention anywhere; When using The Spectrum satellite receiver I could not find a mention in the wiring diagrams on how the assembly is powered. The Pin out diagram also did not mention anything about power. I like Ramesh naturally assumed that as each of the Pan, tilt and roll modules are daisy chained together that we could program all through the one module. If I had known that each Radian has to be read and write individually I would have not been tearing my hair out. When connecting the USB serial programmer, launching the software and powering the unit I still do not know what is the correct sequence to follow. Please understand this is by no means a criticism. It is just a bit of friendly advice so others do not have to struggle in areas where I did struggle with the setup process. If a few additional points had been mentioned within the manuals I would have found the setup very simple. Keep up the good work. Cheers Graham