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Things you did not know about the Radian

Discussion in 'Radian' started by Tabb Firchau, Sep 26, 2012.

  1. Andy Johnson-Laird

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    Sounds good, Ramesh.
    I think we need to start gathering data on the best way(s) of setting up for a single/dual operator. I'll try doing some experiments in the next few weeks.

    Andy.
     
  2. Joe Azzarelli

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    Ramesh
    I might be able to help with your setup as I am using the DX18 for single pilot operations. Although not exactly what you are doing, this thread and pdf might give you some clues on how to program the dx18. Good luck
     
  3. Ramesh Tahlan

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    Andy Andy Andy
    Headache headache headache
    Tried for the last one week to get the system to work as single pilot.. that is ... WKM and Radians
    so though i was a JR guy.. bought a Futaba 8FG with S Bus, as S Bus seemed to be the only solution to operate both systems... as single pilot.
    Put a hub at S Bus output of Rx and programmed WKM and Radians seperately.
    HERE IS THE PROBLEM
    Radians default Mode to Ch 5
    and WKM default IOC to Ch 5 also
    you however can assign any sw of choice.. but u will always be stuck to ch 5...
    i realised after i though that Radian software has accepted the setting to Radians... and the mode sw would not operate.. then i started to operate all sw.. and realsed that the radians go unlocked.. ie,,, change of Mode... by the Gear sw which is Ch5. No can reassign the sw anywhere.. but its still ch 5.
    So -------- no solution
    even as a single pilot.. i have to carry two radios, so i just leave the JR radio on the ground next to me and move the tilt slew to where i want. or once in a while change it to where i want.
    Any idea if anyone else has moved further than me
    But mind you
    when programming Radians to ch 9,10 of S Bus.. the software shows that all switches etc r working and sliders operate after turning green.. but the Radians dont respond evident by the servos not moving at all as if the system is on lock mode.
    Hope to hear from u soon or anyone else who may have has success in fooling either the Radian or the WKM.
    One weird idea is to strap the second radio on my back... and take out leads from switches to the Mode, and Slew for Tilt and make a small bracket attached to my Futaba radio with which i am flying the WKM
    regards and cheers to hoping soon Radian guys can come up with a software upgrade to assign Mode etc etc to a channel of choice for a single pilot operation..
    Take care
    ramesh tahlan
     
  4. Ramesh Tahlan

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    The option of binding two Futaba Rx to one Tx also does not work... bought a second Futaba Rx just for this...
    cause both the Radian and WKM want default ch 5 for themselves
    Radain defaults Mode
    WKM defaults IOC
    And cannot have functions to two systems set on the same channel
    like any business
    clash of interest
    Cheers
    ramesh tahlan
     
  5. Andy Johnson-Laird

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    Hi Ramesh:

    Sorry to hear of all the complications.

    Let me try and pick them apart one at a time.

    If I understand you correctly, you are saying that using the Radian software you cannot change the Mode Channel on the Radian sensors? Am I understanding you correctly?

    The reason I'm focusing on that is because I'm don't recall having any problem changing the Radian Mode Channel to some other channel.

    Or is the problem that you cannot assign a switch on your transmitter to a channel other than 5 to control the Radian Mode?

    Let's just focus on that so we can whittle away at the problem one step at a time.

    Andy.
     
  6. Ramesh Tahlan

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    Andy..
    thanks..
    ok, u right...
    i am unable to assign a diff channel to Radian. it somehow only operates on Ch5.. but i have the facility to assign any sw to any channel... that is no problem
    OR
    is it that the software is not writing to the Radian
    Presently, i am using two axis only.. roll and tilt
    I have plugged in a hub at Rx S Bus output.
    One goes to WKM
    One line goes to Roll Radian which is my first Radian
    then from Roll to Tilt.
    so i plug in the usb adapter to Roll Radian pins 5 and 6. the servos are hooked up.
    belts removed
    Power up the Rx and Radians also power up.
    and now hook up the usb cable to laptop
    and activate the Software
    i then click on S bus and "off is not using Spectrum"
    then click Connect
    relevant tabs go green
    now i click on Roll tab
    then click on Read
    and enter channel 9 for Mode
    and click on Write
    I then click on Tilt tab
    then Read
    and then enter 9 for mode and 10 for Slew
    and click on Write
    no when i operate the sw i have assigned on Tx for Mode and slew
    all shows green as soon as move the 3 post sw from Lock to Slew stabelise,
    BUT
    no response from radians
    cause the servos dont move
    so i close software
    unplug usb
    and try
    no luck
    then i power off everything and power on again
    no luck
    but when i operate the ch 5 sw which is gear
    i can see the Tilt servo operate BUT not the Roll servo
    Tried reprogramming 4 time.
    some result
     
  7. Andy Johnson-Laird

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    Hi Ramesh:

    You cannot program both Radian sensors by only connecting to the Roll sensor. You have to connect the USB cable to the Roll sensor, read, change values, write.

    Then you need to connect the USB cable to the Tilt sensor, read, change values, and write.

    Hope this helps.
    Andy.
     
  8. Ramesh Tahlan

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    Andy
    thanks again
    ok.. that is why i wrote each step
    will do it again as u said, hook up one radian at a time
    click read
    enter the channels
    click write
    for each radian one at a time
    and will give it another go
    will put up the result in a while
    I have not changed any setting in Radio as yet
    so original set up is there
    thanks a heap
    ramesh
     
  9. Ramesh Tahlan

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    Andy
    did as u guided
    the sliders in the programming window r giving correct movement and are green
    and respond to the sw etc correctly
    i have ch 9 for mode for both radian
    For Tilt Radian - ch 10 for slew
    ch 11 for click
    now i have the system disconnected from PC
    i then sw off everything
    connected the servos to the radian with belts removed.
    and sw on everything again
    the orange light in the Radians is solid on
    the green light flashed rapidly for a few seconds
    and now flashing at a slow rate
    The only thing working is the servo for click which i have on ch 11 on Tilt Radian
    if i operate the Mode sw i have for ch 9... no response from servos
    and no change in light on the Radians'
    Just one doubt
    when i was programming the Radians one by one
    the sequence of disconnecting everything was like this
    software close
    disconnect usb from usb adapter
    power off to Rx and Radians
    remove usb adapter from Radian
    Hope this is not creating any problem or should i follow a particular disconnection sequence
    now no sw on the tx is operating the mode , which in previous case ch 5 was doing
    so i guess the Radian have taken the new channels i have assigned while reprogramming
    So the system is just remaining idle..
    i am able to turn the servos output arms with my hand
    which shows signal not going to servos
    Servos r at pin 4 on both Radains
    Ramesh
     
  10. Ramesh Tahlan

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    Just to give u some more info
    i am using the 8FG Super
    for MODE
    in the function screen for ch 9 i have selected Aux 6 and sw SG
    and in the radian softeware i have also put 9 for Mode.
    the response to sw SG is correct and go green on connect
    also when i select SG to center post.. the top slew tab also goes green
    But same light indication on Radians
    Orange Solid and green flashes rapidly on power up for a few sec,,,then flash slowly
    ramesh
     
  11. Ramesh Tahlan

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    okey.. i decided to hook up the Roll Radian alone with nothing else connected to it to PC
    and opened the software
    then pressed Read directly
    it showed it as Roll Roll Module -1
    it shows Mode as Ch 9
    so will just click on write and disconnect.
    Just one doubt..
    i am clicking on the Diagnostics screen on S Bus
    but should i also be clicking on the Config screen on "Off unless using Spectrum"
    Ramesh

    which is what i had programmed at the way u had advised...
     
  12. Ramesh Tahlan

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    okeyyyyyyyyyyyy Andyyyyyyyyyyyyy
    dont ask me what did i do differently
    i just programmed each Radian again about 3 times
    and now everything is working
    Mode in ch 9 perfect
    now putting the belts
    and i notice that the Tilt Radian has an angle to horizon of almost 5 deg and that is when the Tilt Radian stop the servo from moving
    the Roll Radian is totally horizontal and it stop the servo from moving
    NOW JUST ONE BIGGGG QUESTION
    if i need to adjust travels and gains
    what do i do.. How do i hook up to pc
    and then how do i tell the software that i want to make changes to Tilt or Roll Radian Gains and limits etc
    OK
    just figured it
    this time i decided not to click on
    "Off unless using Spectrum"
    what is this for, bit confusing
    i kept on clicking on it cause since i was using Futaba i thought i need to click on it
    so this time i did not click on it when programming Radians one by one
    and everything is perfect now
    Just that one issue
    without buggering up everything
    how do i make change to limits and Gains
    ramesh
     
  13. Andy Johnson-Laird

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    Hi Ramesh:
    You got ahead me while it was night time on my part of the planet.

    To adjust the travel and gains using the Radian software:
    1. Connect up to sensor you want to adjust.
    2. Using Radian software, click on Read to import the current settings into the software.
    3. Make the changes that you want.
    4. Click on write to write the changes back to that sensor.
    5. Move to the other sensor and repeat.

    The "Off unless using Spektrum" should be off for Futaba. That check box is intended for when you are using a Spektrum Satellite Rx as I recall.

    Andy.
     
  14. Ramesh Tahlan

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    Andy..
    thanks a ton.
    I think the manual need to be made a bit more understandable
    y have explained it better over last two day
    specially the part about programming each radian separately
    and also about the part for gain and travel.. to pug in the usb adapter into the Radian that need to be adjusted.
    I did not find that so specific in the manual
    But many thanks buddy..
    now every thing becomes clear and the mystery vanished....
    Each Radian has to be set and adjusted seperately
    Thanks again
    U guys r great
    Ramesh Tahlan
     
  15. Ramesh Tahlan

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    Hi Joe.
    thanks for that link for DX18 set up
    the reason i went away from DX18 is that if u set up WKM and Radians with it
    then u loose the option of changing over to a two pilot system
    Where as with the S Bust set up of Futaba, where i have done set up of WKM and Radians with it...
    now with a Spectrum/JR Rx at the first Radian
    then by just switching on the Spectrum Tx...
    the second pilot has control of the cam totally
    and this can be done any time when the multicopter is flying also
    I need the two pilot option
    and it seems to me that the only way is to use a S Bus set up from one Tx for WKM and Radians
    all the best and happy flying
    regards
    ramesh tahlan
     
  16. Ramesh Tahlan

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    Andy
    Just some more trouble for u
    now that everything is perfect for one pilot operation
    how do i programme the Radians now for two pilot operation
    I do know that the Spectrum sat goes into the First Radian
    BUT
    again the million dollar question ?????????
    how do i now programme the Radians since they r already programmed for S Bus
    I also know that when i put on the Spectrum Radio
    the Radian give priority to Spectrum Sat input
    So do i leave everything just connected as it is
    put Sat Rx in first Radian
    power up everything with Tx on
    plug in the usb adapter into first Radian
    and i can now programme both Radian for Spectrum
    OR
    i leave all connections as they r
    put in Sat Rx into first Radian
    plug in usb adapter into first Radian
    power up everything with Tx on
    programme the first Radian
    then put usb adapter into second Radian
    (with Sat Rx still in first Radian)
    and programme second Radian
    will wait till i hear from you
    dont want to bugger up what i have already achieved.
    regards
    ramesh tahlan
     
  17. Andy Johnson-Laird

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    Hi Ramesh:
    The good news is that I think you may be overthinking the problem! :)

    You program up the Radian's independently of whether you are using S.bus or Spektrum -- an RC channel is always an RC channel regardless of whether the signal gets to the Radian via Spektrum or S.bus. Channel 5 is always channel 5, if you see what I mean.

    As you say, when you plug in the Spektrum satellite, the Radian sensor will give it priority over S.bus input on Port 1, but the Spektrum satellite is still transmitting data about the various RC channels. So, if you have the Radian Mode set to channel 5 (say), then it doesn't care when the signal for channel 5 arrives via Spektrum, or by S.bus.

    Hope that helps avoid you buggering anything up.... :)

    Andy.
     
  18. Ramesh Tahlan

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    Andy
    thanks a lot
    that input was really needed about channels being same for Futaba when flying single pilot... or
    when using Spectrum Sat.....
    on my own i would have gone mad for sure
    And fortunately i have a 11 Ch JR
    so the ch i programmed on Futaba were 9,10, 11.... fortunately
    i can now use the same channels 9,10,11 on my JR, Thank god i bought a 11 ch radio some months back.
    I had no idea about this aspect of channels being same...
    And yes
    u sure helped me prevent buggering things up for sure a second time
    hahahahaha
    thanks a tonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
    have to use the machine tomorrow
    On Monday will programme the Sat
    cheers.
    been a real hectic one week on this
    but all well that ends well
    thanks only to Andy
    ramesh tahlan
     
  19. Andy Johnson-Laird

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    Glad it all worked out Ramesh.
    I'm with you, though....some of the RC concepts were totally alien to me and left me pondering why the concepts even existed.
    Andy.
     
  20. Graham Little

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    Hi all
    I can clearly now see where Ramesh was going wrong because I have been making exactly the same mistakes. I have setup many different products out there but I did struggle with this one.
    The Radian is a great product with awesome stability. Some great demonstration videos and manuals are available but thru out the setup process I came across a few stumbling blocks where I could find no explanation or mention anywhere what the correct steps should be.
    Here are a few issues I had but could find no mention anywhere;
    When using The Spectrum satellite receiver I could not find a mention in the wiring diagrams on how the assembly is powered. The Pin out diagram also did not mention anything about power.
    I like Ramesh naturally assumed that as each of the Pan, tilt and roll modules are daisy chained together that we could program all through the one module. If I had known that each Radian has to be read and write individually I would have not been tearing my hair out.
    When connecting the USB serial programmer, launching the software and powering the unit I still do not know what is the correct sequence to follow.
    Please understand this is by no means a criticism. It is just a bit of friendly advice so others do not have to struggle in areas where I did struggle with the setup process. If a few additional points had been mentioned within the manuals I would have found the setup very simple.
    Keep up the good work.
    Cheers
    Graham
     

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